Looks like you've been busy! A few observations, if they'll help: 'HEY PRETTY BABY' was recorded circa 1946 and later purchased by Atlantic – 14/09/49 is Atlantic’s filing date. 'RAIN IS A BRING DOWN' was recorded in Apex Studio, NYC Ruth cut 'I KNOW' twice - single is A-530 from 25/10/50. A-540 is unissued Thanks for all the Fakes (and Looney Tunes) - much appreciated.
I've never seen that about the Philadelphia recording with Jimmy Brown but that explains its odd appearance among the other recordings. I imagine most of her early recordings were done at Apex but I couldn't find any details on that one with Texas Johnny Brown. The Blues Discog book shows the 2nd version of I Know being on a CD I had, but when I first put this together back 15+ years ago I couldn't hear any difference between that one and the first one issued on Atlantic 941 so I just disregarded it. I don't know if they've changed that info in the recently published new edition of Blues Discog or not. My most recent info is about 14 years old.
Oops. Got interrupted and sent that too soon. Back to I Know. The book showed the 25 Oct. session being A 530 I Know - Atlantic 941 and A 530A You Came Along - unissued. Next up is the 14 Dec. session that begins with A 539 I Don't Want Nobody - Atlantic 941 // A 540 I Know - unissued // A 541 I'll Wait For You - Atlantic 930 // A 542 Standing on the Corner - Atlantic 930. Now, looking at that, it doesn't look right. The biggest clue is the master numbers for the first session. A 530 and A 530 "A"....? My guess is the 25 Oct. session was a dud and the 14 Dec. session successful and produced two singles. That's why I went with I Know being from the 14 Dec. session and not the 25 Oct. Can't imagine why they'd squeeze I Know into the second session if they had already had a good master in the can. Doesn't make sense. I think there was a clerical error somewhere along the way.
I don’t have any more recent info than you, I dug back to Jepson’s 1960s books and worked forward. I think that whoever compiled the CD took his date from Jepson who, wrongly, showed 941 as matrix A940 recorded on 14/12. Thinking about it again and looking at other sessions around that time (Atlantic only did 1, 2 or 3 sessions per month so it’s improbable that they’ll schedule two for the same date. Al Hibbler was in the studio on 25/10) I’ll revise the A930 date to early December 1950. My feeling is that A-530 & A530A were couple of tracks recorded at a rehearsal session a few days prior to 14/12/50 and as such were not allocated master numbers. Session was held on 14/12/50 and masters A539-542 assigned. Later it was decided that rehearsal was better than master and decision was made to issue it – so it needed a master number. Bookkeeper then ran his finger up the page for a space to list it and the first he saw was A530 (one spare number between Al Hibbler and Joe Morris) so he added the two tracks in this space as A530 and A530A and the disc came out using A530. I suspect the book keeper didn’t put a date down and that much later someone just used the date for 529 – 25/10/50.
This put my mind on the A392-395 block of matrices that has bugged me for a while so I decided to try and sort them out and I have near enough got dates on them all but I need to clear up “Sentimental Journey”. Atlantic have 3 masters for this; the first hasn’t been issued but the two from 1950 have: (1) http://www.45cat.com/record/nc425626us – original 1023 – A-357 [2:55] (2) https://www.discogs.com/Ruth-Brown-Delta-Rhythm-Boys-Sentimental-Journey/release/10296084 – reissue (1961 or later) 1023 – A-393 [2:34] (3) http://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/nc598568us original 905 - A-903 no timing shown, I suspect this will be [2:34].
Original issue of 1023 (1) seems to be the only place the [2:55] version is available. Do you have (1) or can you find the [2:55] version on album or elsewhere? If you have 905 I’d be interested to know the timing.
All my copies of Sentimental Journey are 2:36. I don't hold printed times on labels as gospel. For that matter, the b-side of A-357 shows a time of 3:03 but is actually about 10 seconds longer.... anyway, there are some of those A-357 / 2:55 7-inch singles for sale on Discogs at the moment.
This is kind of interesting. Someone upped a video on youtube of both sides of the 1954 yellow single (#1023) that shows A-357 on the label. The only thing is, side A shows Sentimental Journey but is actually the song I'll Come Back Someday. The b-side is as shown: It's All In Your Mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a87r-yeiVc
So I'm still having doubts that A357 ever saw release. Looks like Atlantic screwed up. It would appear that all those in circulation are A393.
Daddy Cool - the video of Atlantic 1023 seems to have disappeared from youtube, but now I see there is one of the 78 rpm version and while the song actually is Sentimental Journey and not I'll Come Back Someday, it is clearly the A-393 version running at 2:36 despite the label showing 2:55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGWuxqm7cTQ All the evidence continues to show there is only one version of Sentimental Journey that has ever been released and the rest is just misinformation.
Looks like you've been busy!
ReplyDeleteA few observations, if they'll help:
'HEY PRETTY BABY' was recorded circa 1946 and later purchased by Atlantic – 14/09/49 is Atlantic’s filing date.
'RAIN IS A BRING DOWN' was recorded in Apex Studio, NYC
Ruth cut 'I KNOW' twice - single is A-530 from 25/10/50. A-540 is unissued
Thanks for all the Fakes (and Looney Tunes) - much appreciated.
I've never seen that about the Philadelphia recording with Jimmy Brown but that explains its odd appearance among the other recordings.
DeleteI imagine most of her early recordings were done at Apex but I couldn't find any details on that one with Texas Johnny Brown.
The Blues Discog book shows the 2nd version of I Know being on a CD I had, but when I first put this together back 15+ years ago I couldn't hear any difference between that one and the first one issued on Atlantic 941 so I just disregarded it. I don't know if they've changed that info in the recently published new edition of Blues Discog or not. My most recent info is about 14 years old.
Oops. Got interrupted and sent that too soon. Back to I Know. The book showed the 25 Oct. session being A 530 I Know - Atlantic 941 and A 530A You Came Along - unissued.
DeleteNext up is the 14 Dec. session that begins with A 539 I Don't Want Nobody - Atlantic 941 // A 540 I Know - unissued // A 541 I'll Wait For You - Atlantic 930 // A 542 Standing on the Corner - Atlantic 930.
Now, looking at that, it doesn't look right. The biggest clue is the master numbers for the first session. A 530 and A 530 "A"....? My guess is the 25 Oct. session was a dud and the 14 Dec. session successful and produced two singles. That's why I went with I Know being from the 14 Dec. session and not the 25 Oct. Can't imagine why they'd squeeze I Know into the second session if they had already had a good master in the can. Doesn't make sense. I think there was a clerical error somewhere along the way.
I don’t have any more recent info than you, I dug back to Jepson’s 1960s books and worked forward. I think that whoever compiled the CD took his date from Jepson who, wrongly, showed 941 as matrix A940 recorded on 14/12.
ReplyDeleteThinking about it again and looking at other sessions around that time (Atlantic only did 1, 2 or 3 sessions per month so it’s improbable that they’ll schedule two for the same date. Al Hibbler was in the studio on 25/10) I’ll revise the A930 date to early December 1950. My feeling is that A-530 & A530A were couple of tracks recorded at a rehearsal session a few days prior to 14/12/50 and as such were not allocated master numbers. Session was held on 14/12/50 and masters A539-542 assigned. Later it was decided that rehearsal was better than master and decision was made to issue it – so it needed a master number. Bookkeeper then ran his finger up the page for a space to list it and the first he saw was A530 (one spare number between Al Hibbler and Joe Morris) so he added the two tracks in this space as A530 and A530A and the disc came out using A530.
I suspect the book keeper didn’t put a date down and that much later someone just used the date for 529 – 25/10/50.
This put my mind on the A392-395 block of matrices that has bugged me for a while so I decided to try and sort them out and I have near enough got dates on them all but I need to clear up “Sentimental Journey”. Atlantic have 3 masters for this; the first hasn’t been issued but the two from 1950 have:
(1) http://www.45cat.com/record/nc425626us – original 1023 – A-357 [2:55]
(2) https://www.discogs.com/Ruth-Brown-Delta-Rhythm-Boys-Sentimental-Journey/release/10296084
– reissue (1961 or later) 1023 – A-393 [2:34]
(3) http://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/nc598568us original 905 - A-903 no timing shown, I suspect this will be [2:34].
Original issue of 1023 (1) seems to be the only place the [2:55] version is available. Do you have (1) or can you find the [2:55] version on album or elsewhere? If you have 905 I’d be interested to know the timing.
All my copies of Sentimental Journey are 2:36.
DeleteI don't hold printed times on labels as gospel.
For that matter, the b-side of A-357 shows a time of 3:03
but is actually about 10 seconds longer....
anyway, there are some of those A-357 / 2:55 7-inch singles for sale on Discogs at the moment.
This is kind of interesting. Someone upped a video on youtube of both sides of the 1954 yellow single (#1023) that shows A-357 on the label. The only thing is, side A shows Sentimental Journey but is actually the song I'll Come Back Someday. The b-side is as shown: It's All In Your Mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a87r-yeiVc
So I'm still having doubts that A357 ever saw release. Looks like Atlantic screwed up. It would appear that all those in circulation are A393.
It would be interesting to track down a copy of the 78 rpm version of Atlantic 1023 to see what song is actually on the a-side though.
DeleteDaddy Cool - the video of Atlantic 1023 seems to have disappeared from youtube, but now I see there is one of the 78 rpm version and while the song actually is Sentimental Journey and not I'll Come Back Someday, it is clearly the A-393 version running at 2:36 despite the label showing 2:55.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGWuxqm7cTQ
All the evidence continues to show there is only one version of Sentimental Journey that has ever been released and the rest is just misinformation.
oops they're both still there.
DeleteI must have not copied and pasted the entire url
Thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteHello, would there be any possibility of Re-upping the Ruth Brown discs, i missed them first time round.
ReplyDelete